Though I truly appreciate the complexities of projects like Kicksecure, Whonix and Qubes, and I enjoy ‘messing’ with computers and Linux, I cannot get any of these applications/distros to work reliably. By that I mean being confident enough to take them into the ‘field’, so to speak, and be confident I could rely on them.
So, back to good old TAILS OS for me.
As I say, kudos to all involved in these projects but they are not for me.
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Annnd, there’s the kicker. Probably uncalled for and not appreciated.
I was trying to explain my issues, give praise and encouragement to the dev teams and provide insight into ‘real-world’ issues in using these projects from a personal perspective.
Two things before I go…
Projects like these usually stall and suffer poor uptake because of jumped-up tech bros who just can’t keep things positive in the forums and have to be the clever ‘top dog’. Examples: GrapheneOS and Session Messenger.
I am 66 year’s old and have been an electronics/computer technician since 1975. I have a Degree in Computer Science and have almost completed a Master’s Degree in Cyber Security. I probably forgot more about computers last week than you will ever know, sonny!
Anyway, have a nice day everyone else.
The famous Netflix culture deck emphasizes that Netflix is a pro sports team and not a recreational (as in for kids) team. Open source projects are the same way.
We don’t care how old you are. We don’t care what color your skin is. We don’t care if you put it in someone’s butt or take it in your own butt. [CoC violation, user suspended for 48 hours by @Sven]
Capacity for technical reasoning trumps all other professional factors, period.
The Kicksecure, Whonix, and Qubes projects are made by hackers for hackers. Apparently you are not one of us.
I have a hard time believing this, because you posted earlier that you are unable to make these distros which are Unix clones “work reliably”. Unix is a very simple system. However, one must be a genius or something close to a genius to comprehend the simplicity. And, being a genius (or not) has nothing to do with age.
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As a non-hacker, you can most certainly enjoy an easy to use GUI that delivers to you all of the advanced benefits of these distros without ever seeing “under the hood”. The way you can do this is by paying a consulting company that has access to talented developers who can build such a product and provide it. All of the benefits of these distros are available to everyone in one way or another. There are more than a half of a dozen vendors that resell GrapheneOS to pedestrians, for (just one) example.
Qubes-certified computers are suitable for non-hackers, such as journalists, to use Qubes.
To successfully run Qubes on hardware that is unsupportable, such as a 2015 Macbook, a hacker may be (more likely than not) necessary. The ability to communicate successfully with hackers at the very least is necessary.
Are you serious?
Lose the attitude pal, its just a computer.
Wow…
Emm… sorry to interrupt your most intelligent conversation between you two, but can you explain why you think it’s Unix and not Linux??? I mean linux is linux for a reason, why would you call it unix?
Linux is a functional (but not genetic) clone of Unix, or a half-baked attempt at cloning Unix. Linux is not Unix and GNU is not Unix.
Spoiler: the second best part of all of this is that I am not a moderator
and I do not have permissions on this board to modify thread titles / threads.
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so it’s a thing to call it unix informally because of that even though “genetically” it’s not the same code etc?
No. And we aren’t referring to Linux as Unix here (maybe re-read what was posted). Unix has a simplicity. Linux is an attempt at a Unix clone. There are code quality issues and holistic design issues but it is still successful in this attempt.
Those who know well the living genetic descendents of Unix that are actually good like OpenBSD and illumos may be quick to point out that unlike GNU+Linux the original the Unix systems are complete systems that have all pieces fitting together holistically. However, GNU+systemd+Linux systems and musl+Linux (with BSD userland) such as Chimera Linux still carry the same spirit of simplicity, or at least enough of it. Any high school sophomore can go through the Gentoo Handbook and “get” that simplicity.
