Does qubes support open discussion or believe in control/censorship? why was this post hidden?

whats in there that should not be talked here?

https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/after-telegram-founder-arrest-for-not-introducing-backdoor-how-safe-is-qubes/28507/1

isn’t this the forum automatic feature that hides post when a certain amount of people report it?

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who all downvoted it and whats the reason, none given. if all has to be automated whats the use of people working in the forum?

and whats so “not to be seen” worthy in that post that it got reported and should not be talked here?

https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/after-telegram-founder-arrest-for-not-introducing-backdoor-how-safe-is-qubes/28507/1

I have not received this post. Usually where a post is hidden or removed a
reason is given - was there no explanation in this case? If it has just
been flagged by users it is usually because it goes against the Code of
Conduct, and the mods will review.

In answer to the question in the title, Qubes does believe in control
and censorship in the Forum. This is explicit

I never presume to speak for the Qubes team.
When I comment in the Forum I speak for myself.

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If you dont speak for qubes, so please dont answer the question on their behalf and if you dont understand what kind of censorship i am talkin about then dont post.

And i am not sure if you can still read the post or not but a reason need to be given. As to which “Code of Conduct” did it violate. Its laughable that someone would report the post based on “Code of Conduct”. Which “code of conduct” did it violate? unless its intentional and just hiding behind that

Please someone go through this post(if you can) and please let me know what “code of conduct” it violates?

https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/after-telegram-founder-arrest-for-not-introducing-backdoor-how-safe-is-qubes/28507/1

I’ve told you I dont have that post so I cant comment on it.
But I did point you to the guidelines concerning the Forum and
explicitly to the Qubes Code of Conduct.
I believe that people can flag messages without saying why - personally,
I dislike this. When the mods have had a chance to review then they will
(usually) give reason. Just be patient and wait for that process to
finish: it’s possible that the message will be restored.

I never presume to speak for the Qubes team.
When I comment in the Forum I speak for myself.

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“Moderation is a propaganda word for censorship.”

Yes https://t.co/Re2iDWoUJH

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 25, 2024
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No doubt.
But this is a Qubes Forum and it is moderated. If you prefer an
unmoderated forum for your thoughts, there are many, including twitter.

AFAIK your original post has not yet been moderated, but has been
“flagged” by users - when a mod has a chance to look at it, it may be
restored, or it may be removed, and reasons given. Just be patient and
wait for the process to work though. You gain nothing by further
pressing.

I never presume to speak for the Qubes team.
When I comment in the Forum I speak for myself.

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Last time I checked, you didnot speak for qubes. You are literally asking me to go to other forums. Stop dictating the terms.

And I am not pressing just replying to your posts.

The quoted post is off-topic and was flagged as such. That’s it. I moved this thread to the Forum Feedback category because it too is off-topic in the General Disucussion category.

This forum is about Qubes OS, when they have access to it, members are welcome to post off-topic in the All around Qubes category if they believe the topic will be of interest of other Qubes OS users.

Other than that, off-topic posting is not welcome, and folks are encouraged to find appropriate forums to discuss topics other than Qubes OS.

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Would you care to explain how the post that was hidden, off-topic?

I can post the content of the post if you like.

It is not about Qubes OS.

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The moderation team does have access to the post, no worries.

Just in case, since the topic was deemed off-topic, reposting it is not welcome, and could be grounds for temporary suspension. This is an official warning.

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How is it not about qubes? did you read the post? let it be visible for people to see and let them decide. Not even a single comment was there explaining how it is not related to qubes os? And you hid it?

Atleast explain which part of the post is not related to qubes? let everyone see it, you can block the replies on it.

Care to explain how is it not related to qubes. Shouldn’t you be showing where you felt the flaw was?

And you put this post in slow mode! What for?

I think if you can safely remove the Qubes OS mention in your topic post (e.g. replace it with Fedora) and it won’t change the meaning of your post then it’d be off-topic here.

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thanks, ill try that but given their responses. i dont think they would like to talk anything around that

oh i see, what u meant, that anyways that post is off-topic. no it is not why would i replace it with fedora. when it is about qubes os. and it is not fedora that wish to be the most secure open source os on planet. so replacing the title with fedora will change the post’s meaning entirely.

Transparency is what build trust not hiding and threatening to ban your posts and account. why afraid of the talk or discussion. let the post be open. if it is so unworthy of people’s attention, it will be ignored. But why hide it, what frightens them so much that they are not even allowing it to be seen?

How ensuring qubes is free of Backdoors off-topic?

@apparatus

If your topic was about possible backdoor in Qubes OS then there are already many topics about this:

etc
But in the end it’s just an idle talk and there is no real solution to the problem.
And in the end this is not a problem specific to Qubes OS. This problem exists for any other project.
I think it’s better to discuss this topic in some general security-related forum since there are just more security-focused people there compared to a relatively small group of people using Qubes OS and more people = more opinions and ideas and higher chance of finding the solution.

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why such pessimistic view, its all talk and no real solution can be found. How is qubes os any different from any other project out there then.

In those forums only it will be only talk, as they wont be able to do much to improve qubes os. it will just be a talk. Where as here we if supported open discussion than letting just few have the privilege to talk, can come up with solutions. which will then be implemented by qubes team. isnt thats also the purpose of this forum, isnt that the reason qubes is “open source”

The general public is so much bitten by mistrust from other software providers that it is hard to believe anyone. If qubes wish to be the option for people wanting real security and its qubes aim. Then transperancy and open discussion is the way to go. That way this will grow from a team of 5 people to many and will continue to grow and become better. Unless thats not their aim