Short list of laptops/desktops that work well with Qubes OS

@Sven Sent the HCL. Same CPU as DeVillier.

Great @t0t0, I will add it to the list – thank you!

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Lenovo Thinkpads T470s, T480s, T490s, X250 and Carbon X8, and Lenovo Yoga 720. I installed Qubes OS for friends on these laptops over the past few years.

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I as mentioned above, Librem 15 is out of stock, not available for purchase. It does not fulfill condition 4. I doubt there are many used laptops available on the market.

Done.

@marmarek, do you need the hardware testing page?

Seemed to me that changing BIOS to use Virtualization was part of the other documentation.

I am not sure which thing I did to get it to utilize Virtualization to function. I think I used some drive format-er to explicitly write across all the drive, as I was gun-shy that the size of clusters, other things left by having NTFS on it first.

It is a core I5.

I can not duplicate the issues, as I have since installed Skulls Core Boot, and I am not sure if I got it to accept the Flash on the other chip, to get rid of the objectionable part of Intel ME.

I still hope to Re Flash using the Heads site as a guide. First I need to buy another Flash Clip, and a NitroKey. And. Do a lot of reading to make sure it is a go, to change from where I am to using a Nitro Key. Reason I say that is, IF one is thinking of doing the Flashing, might be better to not use the Skulls (on GitHub) version and start with Heads site.

Skulls site is excellent for providing the information and links to rolling back the BIOS to a point where one can Flash (with an external Programmer).

I am on what the US calls old age pension, Social Security. Might be a few months to buy more parts.

The Oddity to beware of, the Lenovo X-230 is older than the SSD’s that I am trying to put into it. Perhaps the newer BIOS will recognize and use a new SSD. After the SSD is used once, then it seems I can use any Linux Distro to format and install to it. Perhaps 4.1 will not have this issue either.

Based on what I have been told: Perhaps it might be duplicated in the basic talk about using an Lenovo X-230, that to upgrade the Wireless Chip, and perhaps it is use a Third Party battery, one must do some kind of alteration of the BIOS. The Atheros Chip used by Insurgo, is much better than the standard Intel Chip it comes with.

Upgrading memory can be expensive. I spent over a hundred to put in 16 GB, came with 4 GB. Somewhere, I seem to recall there is a note that the faster RAM can become a hazard to doing some things with BIOS. I don’t recall where that was.

I seem to make every mistake that can be made.

I would bet this would be a common set of potential problems with the T430. So not sure if the HCL is where to put my little workarounds.

Sven, thanks for working on the HCL.

I’ll check

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@fsflover wrote:

I as mentioned above, Librem 15 is out of stock, not available for
purchase. It does not fulfill condition 4. I doubt there are many
used laptops available on the market.

There was one listed on eBay but the listing was taken offline. So yeah,
couldn’t find it anywhere else and will remove it from the list.

@oijawyuh wrote:

Lenovo Thinkpads T470s, T480s, T490s, X250 and Carbon X8, and Lenovo
Yoga 720. I installed Qubes OS for friends on these laptops over the
past few years.

Thank you! That’s the kind of feedback I am looking for. Will check if
we have sufficient HCL coverage for those.

Any chance you can get your friends to send in HCL reports? … they all
worked “out of the box” without workarounds and troubleshooting?

T470s, T490s, Carbon X8, Yoga 7

Unfortunately we don’t have a single HCL report for those. Need two to
make in on the list.

T480s (i7-8550U)

Bingo! … got two good R4.0 reports from D4hrm4 and quququbebebe. Will
add to the list.

X250 (i5-5300U)

Got a good R4.0 report from @qubicrm from 3 days ago saying it all
worked fine. There is one more report for R4.0 on the same machine from
Yamagata Hiroo using a slightly older BIOS version. He describes having
to edit xen.cfg in his blog
post
but makes
clear it is BIOS version dependent: “This happened in BIOS 1.27 and
1.34”. Whereas @qubicrm uses 1.41

So I think we’ll list this one too with a note that the user needs to
make sure to have the latest BIOS version before attempting to install
Qubes OS. That’s not really a workaround. Please let me know if anyone
disagrees.

(Updated OP to include a link to the “just works” list.)

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2 posts were split to a new topic: X1 Carbon (Gen 8)

I remember that I had a previous BIOS version when I installed. Current BIOS was updated later.
One thin I did not mention, but maybe relevant: I decided to use legacy boot, and I think I never investigated UEFI install.

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Dell E6530 i5 3320M 2.6GHz 16gb Intel graphics

My E6430 is similarly trouble free. I’ll check its specs and post it.

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I think we forget how much laptop RAM cost.
My guess is that Lenovo certified what they thought users would bear. As
RAM prices dropped, and new models came out, they didn’t go back and recertify.

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A post was split to a new topic: Lenovo ThinkPad T490

System76 lemur pro
Kde slimbook
Tuxedo infinitybook

All three will future proof you with up to 64gb of RAM

Personally I use the lemur pro with a 10th gen i7 and 40gb or ram. intel me disabled. webcam and microphone and speakers removed I just use headphones plugged into the 3.5mm jack. don’t need fancy hardware switches.
And it is so light even lighter then a MacBook Air.

Cheaper then the librem laptops

It is perfect fo me to use qubes as a daily driver for both personal and commercial work.

In order to add these devices to the short list, we need at least two HCL reports (see the first post here). Would you be able to make one? Also, are they all available for immediate purchase?

Just an idea: make a table with these models specifying a few details, some not so easy to find, eg.: number os USB controllers or number or DIM slots.
I say these a remembered a little detail. Thinkpad X250 was added, and I think it is very solid hardware, but… it has only one DIMM slot. So I get 16G if i buy a reasonobly hard to find 16G module (and expensive too).
Maybe we can make user experience even better (less unknowns before purchase)?

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