Best modern ThinkPads?

I have a hard time figuring out what the best latest (2023 or newer) ThinkPads are for Qubes, can someone help me or advise me, please?

Topic update: Dell XPS ended up having my attention , thanks for your replies. I hadn’t thought of the XPS line but I have a solid experience with other Dell laptops (non XPS) in the past and I think I should just stick with that :slight_smile:

Help appreciated

Love

Lea

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Why do you want a ThinkPad?

(Update: Looking for Dell XPS now - Same question)

From my experience, the build quality of E series is really meh. That’s how they can be cheap :confused:

I understand a qubes os certified laptop can be expensive. Did you take a look at Dell laptops?

A high end 2 years old computer refurbished could be a good option, if you are fine with second hand hardware.

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Well, if you are looking for an older model I can recommend the t480. It is supported by coreboot (not merged yet, WiP) but already went to Heads master branch. Specs are very similar to the NV41 64 gb of RAM, works with Qubes quite well. Price tag is around 250$ on used market. I published HCL couple of weeks ago. Lenovo ThinkPad T480 with Heads
the downside is EOL in terms of microcode updates.

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Solid tip there. How are the T series? Do they feel better hands on?

I loved Dell , this could be a really good option too.

Done looking at Thinkpads for today. I can investigate more over the next weeks and month.
How about Dells , I just have Lattitude experience but the XPS sounds very promising. Are they good for Qubes , better than Lenovo?

Intel T 16 gen 2 appears solid choice

Intel 12gen+ aren’t supported by XEN, so vcpu are constantly shuffled between e-core and p-core no matter the load. And they lack of cpu governors drivers.

Intel 12th generation works fine. Indeed Xen does not care about the core topology (efficient Vs performance) but this does not mean it doesn’t work. In practice, it’s just slightly slower because load is spread over all cores without caring about the context (performance or energy saving on battery). I’ve been using an i7 1260P for a year and I’m happy of it.

On battery I have 3 to 4 hours of battery life depending what I’m doing.

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Topic update: Dell XPS ended up having my attention , thanks for your replies. I hadn’t thought of the XPS line but I have a solid experience with other Dell laptops (non XPS) in the past and I think I should just stick with that :slight_smile:

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Update:

I’ve read many government workers buy Dell XPS but not sure if this is accurate info. Dell seems to offer to disable HAP-bit in the BIOS:

there is whole thread about core pinning CPU Pinning Alder Lake