The updater is now telling me that the fedora-41-xfce template is obsolete and needs replacement. How can this be? Is this how its announced now? I see nothing in the News section.
By the gui route, Qubes Updater lists the current fedora-41-xfce template as ‘OBSOLETE’. It allows me to launch Qubes Template Manager, which shows an ‘upgradeable’ Fedora-41-xfce 4.2.0.202501300253 from January 30.
However, selecting the new January template and clicking “apply” doesn’t seem to actually do anything - it seems to immediately report 100% on a progress bar (nothing on this machine can be that quick, trust me…), then “refresh” just shows the same panel of options, with the January template still available for upgrade.
I am very careful with my updates. Why has it taken so long? This update/obsolescence seems a bit of a surprise since I’ve applied many other updates to fedora-41-xfce, but only in May am I getting news of an updated template from January… What’s going on? Has something else failed on my machine?
And if this new process doesn’t work, what should I be doing? The old manual updates described in the docs?
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In dom0, what is the output of qvm-features fedora-41-xfce
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$ qvm-features fedora-41-xfce
default-menu-items xfce4-terminal.desktop thunar.desktop org.mozilla.firefox.desktop xfce-settings-manager.desktop
menu-items xfce4-terminal.desktop org.mageia.dnfdragora.desktop xfce-settings-manager.desktop
netvm-menu-items xfce4-terminal.desktop
selinux 1
qrexec 1
os Linux
supported-service.qubes-update-check 1
supported-service.gui-agent-clipboard-wipe 1
supported-service.qubes-network 1
supported-service.updates-proxy-setup 1
supported-service.network-manager 1
supported-service.blueman 1
supported-service.guivm-gui-agent 1
supported-service.meminfo-writer 1
supported-service.pipewire 1
supported-service.qubes-updates-proxy 1
supported-service.clocksync 1
supported-service.modem-manager 1
supported-service.qubes-firewall 1
supported-feature.keyboard-layout 1
supported-feature.memory-hotplug 1
supported-rpc.qubes.SuspendPreAll 1
supported-rpc.qubes.SuspendPostAll 1
supported-rpc.qubes.VMExecGUI 1
supported-rpc.qubes.ShowInTerminal 1
supported-rpc.qubes.OpenInVM 1
supported-rpc.qubes.PdfConvert 1
supported-rpc.qubes.SuspendPost 1
supported-rpc.qubes.GuiVMSession 1
supported-rpc.qubes.GetAppmenus 1
supported-rpc.qubes.SelectDirectory 1
supported-rpc.qubes.GetImageRGBA 1
supported-rpc.qubes.SetMonitorLayout 1
supported-rpc.qubes.Filecopy 1
supported-rpc.qubes.DetachPciDevice 1
supported-rpc.qubes.TemplateSearch 1
supported-rpc.qubes.GpgImportKey 1
supported-rpc.qubes.SuspendPre 1
supported-rpc.qubes.Backup 1
supported-rpc.qubes.Restore 1
supported-rpc.qubes.TemplateDownload 1
supported-rpc.qubes.SetDateTime 1
supported-rpc.qubes.VMShell 1
supported-rpc.qubes.USBAttach 1
supported-rpc.qubes.Gpg 1
supported-rpc.qubes.VMRootShell 1
supported-rpc.qubes.SyncAppMenus 1
supported-rpc.qubes.InstallUpdatesGUI 1
supported-rpc.qubes.VMExec 1
supported-rpc.qubes.USBDetach 1
supported-rpc.qubes.WaitForSession 1
supported-rpc.qubes.PostInstall 1
supported-rpc.qubes.GetDate 1
supported-rpc.qubes.USB 1
supported-rpc.qubes.UpdateAppMenusFor 1
supported-rpc.qubes.RemoveAppMenusFor 1
supported-rpc.qubes.RegisterBackupLocation 1
supported-rpc.qubes.StartApp 1
supported-rpc.qubes.SaltLinuxVM 1
supported-rpc.qubes.ResizeDisk 1
supported-rpc.qubes.RestoreById 1
supported-rpc.qubes.SelectFile 1
supported-rpc.qubes.OpenURL 1
os-distribution fedora
os-version 40
os-eol 2025-05-13
qubes-agent-version 4.2
gui 1
qubes-firewall 1
vmexec 1
template-name fedora-41-xfce
template-epoch 0
template-version 4.2.0
template-release 202409070311
template-reponame qubes-templates-itl
template-buildtime 2024-09-07 04:49:44
template-installtime 2024-10-08 07:08:47
template-license GPLv3+
template-url http://www.qubes-os.org
template-summary Qubes OS template for fedora-40-xfce
template-description Qubes OS template for fedora-40-xfce.
updates-available 1
last-updates-check 2025-05-16 09:30:20
last-update 2025-05-09 17:02:19
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Seems the template is not actually fedora-41 according to dom0. What is the output of sudo cat /etc/fedora-release within “fedora-41-xfce”
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Huh. Says its Fedora release 40.
I must have downloaded the wrong template and renamed it as 41 last time I tried to update the templates by the instructions. That sounds like exactly the kind of mistake I would make.
And it explains why its obsolete now.
Would very much like to have the gui replacement work, then.
Thanks
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Then try the in-place upgrade again and see if it completes successfully this time.
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out of curiosity/stubbornness, I’m trying the gui Template Manager again - it seems to be downloading now, fingers crossed.
I don’t understand the names its using, and how it distinguishes between my erroneous 41 (‘40-41’) and the real. See the image below - is the 2024 fedora-41-xfce listed as “installed” actually my ‘erroneous-40-41’, i.e. really fedora-40-xfce, OR a previous version of fedora-41-xfce that is now obsolete? (I note that the version number of fedora-40-xfce is different).
Once it downloads, it will be interesting to see how it installs over something that it shares a name with.
Also, what is “upgradeable”? For example, debian-12-minimal is listed in two separate lines as “Installed” and “Upgradable”, but it doesn’t show that in the Update Manager.
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Weirdness: Template Manager has installed a template called fedora-41-xfce with the January serial number, but its now listed as coming from the qubes-templates-itl-testing repository. It didn’t say ‘testing’ before!
However, sudo cat /etc/fedora-release returns 41, so that’s reassuring.
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Note also, download took between 3-4 hours.
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