No, you can use the VPN for free.
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When you actually go and try you will find you can register for Proton VPN for a free account without a single transaction.
Yes, Discourse forums are terrible.
Yes, it’s easy to get a burner E-mail.
But what nobody else seems bothered by, is that this site requires JavaScript.
Email doesn’t require JS
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Depends on the E-mail, Proton does. But I take your point. Still, for all practical intents and purposes, you cannot really use this forum without ever signing up/in. And I see no reason, why there could not be a non-JS version.
And I see no reason why I shouldn’t be able to send messages to the forum using carrier pigeons.
Using the forum is not a requirement to use Qubes, you don’t need to use Proton to use the forum, you have options to not use JS.
I’m sure you will find a way to use the free wifi at McDonald while wearing a Mickey Mouse mask to anonymously set up the account.
Oh dear, did I strike a nerve? Sounds like its been too long since you reviewed the CoC
For all your worthless bellicosity, the fact remains that you need JS to register and view the site, which is unacceptable for the support forum of a medium which is nothing more than a shell for Whonix to run in.
You don’t need to use the forum, you can use email.
You don’t need to use the forum, it’s really that simple.
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Ah yes, of course, you ban me repeatedly when you get caught breaking your own rules, all of these to be precise:
Examples of behavior that contributes to creating a positive environment include:
- Using welcoming and inclusive language
- Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
- Gracefully accepting constructive criticism
- Focusing on what is best for the community
- Showing empathy towards other community members
Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants include:
- Trolling, insulting/derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks
- Reinforcing stereotypical models for illustration of non-technical users (e.g. our mothers/grandmothers, etc.)
- Public or private harassment, as defined by the Citizen Code of Conduct
- Other conduct which could reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting
You deride constructive criticism with stereotypy instead of accepting it gracefully.
No, it is a requirement of using Qubes’ support forum.
No, but you do need to use an E-mail.
No, you don’t. Not for accessing the forum.
And again you try and deride constructive criticism with stereotype, because you cannot stomach one iota of instrospection.
And then in what can only be described as targeted harassment, you ban me repeatedly for not licking your jackboots over the above.
What’s next? You gonna start doxxing me or making sexual advances in order to complete your checklist of broken rules?
@inconspicuous never told Qubes is awful, or the content of the forum is awful, that should be recognized. On the contrary, he wants to participate since he most probably finds it more than helpful to be here.
What he doesn’t like is beyond of what Qubes team (mods or whoever) can change, and he’s aware of it I believe.
If he wants to get help he needs to login, and for that JS is needed.
Reading forum not logged in and then participating via email is cumbersome but is a way to overcome his other way legit objection on Discourse.
Participating via email in his case is to rather be considered as a workaround, not a way someone would want to protect his security and privacy.
And most important: he doesn’t expect @deeplow or someone else to make Discourse to change this, that is my impression.
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Related thread:
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No, it doesn’t, to read.
To participate, use email, as said.
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As a related by-the-way, @unman, I remember you and I got into quite a comedy of errors, because I was using edits to go back and alter posts as I figured things out…and email users like yourself do not see the edits!
This is a very important thing to know and remember, but step one would be: to be able to tell who is an e-mail user! Is there some way to do this? I know sometimes you have a signature line (about not presuming to speak for the Qubes team); it might help in your case to add “I am an e-mail-only user. If you reference me in a reply, please do not edit it later; I won’t see the edits” (or something like that). Reference any other way people have managed to muck things up through not realizing your situation, too.
Step 2, of course would be to educate “regular” users on how different the experience is for e-mail users (and vice versa). And unfortunately I have no idea how to do that other than painful experience!
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There’s an envelope icon left to the posting time/date.
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We might be able to fix this. See here an example of that. But the solution likely won’t be very discoverable.
This criticism is aimed at discourse not Qubes project. A discourse forum is a way to provide users a more accessible way of sharing their issues and getting responses. Going with old (javascriptless) forum software would significantly reduce the impact this forum has had.
Other projects in the security space using the forum: Whonix, Tor Project, Signal.
If you don’t like it, we provide a mailing list mode. We don’t ban alt accounts nor temporary emails. If that doesn’t match your desires, there are other venues: like the qubes-users mailing list.
Small note (that also applies to life in general): if you want anything to be improved and have valid criticism, then don’t start insulting people. You’ll get nowhere. Instead respectfully start a rational discourse about what your concerns are and how you think these can be solved.
Otherwise your complaints will simply fall on deaf years.
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Just renamed the title to: This forum software is awful
Seems more representative of the discussion.
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Three more “new” users attempted to post this exact post with the names similar to yours: @inconspicuwus @inc0nspicuous. I have now removed these for spam. I assume this was done by you @inconspicuous
What as the intention there? Was the original post silenced and you resorted to creating alias accounts for pushing a point across?
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But now you’ve taken away the essential click-bait character.
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Haha. But as a moderator I want to make my job easier by not attracting flames to the fire.
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