Qubes-Air? Qubes in the cloud?

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Please apologize.

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It’s them, not me. :laughing:

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Nah, it’s my fault. I could have chosen my words better :frowning:

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So could I. And I believe that in a good will, we sorted it out privately.

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We did the first POC with Simon during Qubes OS summit 2022: Qubes OS Summit 2022: qrexec over network (Proof of concept) · GitHub

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How come I missed this? And I was there :sweat_smile:. This is awesome!

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To obtain qrexec over the network it should also be rather straightforward to write e.g. a TLS sender and receiver plugin for [1].

However I currently don’t need it and thus didn’t spend my time on it.

Anyway qrexec over the network is just a small part of a proper cloud integration.

[1] GitHub - 3hhh/qubes-qrexec-proxy: Intransparent and modular Qubes OS qrexec proxy

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Variation of this conversation focusing on potential for SBC cluster (which could then serve as personal and/or shared cloud service) here.

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Anyone thought about what a native terminal on Android might mean for applying the Qubes Security paradigm to mobile devices?

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Turning an Android device into its own qube

  • I suppose if you wanted to, you could potentially turn your Android device into its own qube
    • Getting the qubes-tools integrated into Android is being worked on, and/or is currently in the pipeline
  • This brings forth the potential of “qubifying” IoT devices, which could be kind of cool
    • Unlikely any time soon, but one can always dream :slight_smile:

Running full Qubes OS on an Android device

  • If you wanted to apply the traditional Qubes OS model to it, Android would need quite a lot of hacking to turn itself into a proper qube, let alone a sys-qube, if people wanted to.
    • Vanilla Android x86 assumes it’s running on hardware that has a touch screen, not a cursor
    • A bunch of other quirks that would need to be addressed
  • It would likely be much easier to get vanilla Qubes OS running instead
    • Android was designed for:
      • Maximum battery life
      • Constant powering up and down (sleep states)
      • Portability
      • Lightweight work (in comparison to fully-fledged computers)
      • Devices without standard keyboard and mouse
        • Touch screen gestures
        • Function buttons and number keypad
        • Stylus pen
    • It’s definitely something that someone somewhere is trying right now, and I look forward to seeing the results when they are successful, though :slight_smile:

In any case:

  • It deserves its own thread. It’s its a deep enough rabbithole on its own :stuck_out_tongue: