Our experiences have been completely different.
“In the beginning” @cayce response would have been far more typical,
I think, except for those emojis.
This issue was not a “discussion” - you raised a hypothetical case, but
quickly morphed it in to a support issue. Perhaps you felt the original
approach was necessary given your perceived situation, in which case I
do not understand why you pivoted.
I stand by my initial reply to the situation you outlined - I would not
trust that machine. If you are in the situation you report, and have no
alternative available machine, you must stop what you are doing.
I never presume to speak for the Qubes team.
When I comment in the Forum or in the mailing lists I speak for myself.
From my shoes, thus far your response to the dialogue YOU asked for is akin to a proud-boy who’s shot themself in their leg, makes it to the ER but, is going to bleed out because they’re refusing treatment from the staff who happen to have more melanin in their skin than he. But, that’d be his “choice” right? Which, by all means would be just peachy AFAIC.
The way I see things, you’ve a few solid options:
A) Change “it”.
(Or, at a minimum your perceptions/demands/expectations of.)
Please, let’s stay civil, dispense with the nonsense, and just stay focused on Qubes and other related topics. That is the only reason people come here.
I tried this when I 1st signed up, didn’t work as expected. P̶o̶s̶t̶s̶ ̶w̶e̶r̶e̶ Noise was still visible. Is this not the case for you? Ought I try again?
Edit:
I stand corrected, I had tried “Mute”! “Ignore” works a treat!
Bless your !
Plz, DM me a crypto addy sooz I can buy you some !!! Hell, might even have to tell the better-half that our next-born will be named @szz9pza !
To separate the drivel, ego polishing and opining into a dedicated thread that can safely be ignored by everyone uninterested in this utterly useless banter.
It does. You can mute threads, whole categories or specific people. Look and ye shall find.
I will flag some later posts and lock this thread down now. You both cool off. This is a giant waste of time (yours and everyone else’s).
Apologies for the comment on discourse and not the matter at hand, but reading through this thread - which I have enjoyed - I didn’t find you to be attacking or being rude. Rather informative but with a strong tone of encouragement to engage in self-education at the depth beyond which a single thread and informative responses can equip you to understand and audit these issues.
I’ve also found it fairly humorous and I think maybe your style of communication is misread as aggressive by some, although obviously gaining in its force throughout.
Unfortunately this is a common theme, and really people do need to understand that if we are discussing nation-state level adversaries if you aren’t a technical-user you can perhaps gain some basic ground in understanding areas to harden, practices to improve, and topics to research, but the only way to bridge that gap is with deep study that most - including myself - are not willing to make.
@Emily I can understand your frustration if people are not meeting your complaints with the seriousness or credulity that you think they deserve, but I think it’s most productive if you keep as closely as you can to the technical questions at hand and not expound on the broader nature of your adversary and the world. This will inevitably only lessen credibility and really does nothing to move the discussion forward, irrespective of its true validity.
It’s unfortunate that the thread devolved because I enjoy reading these type of threads with input from technical users, but it seems they always tilt off track in this manner.
@Sven As it said you aren’t accepting direct messages, i’ll post here also: Your moderation efforts in threads are valuable and really help to clean them up without censoring. Thanks for your efforts in this area.
Put this all behind a drop down of something like “comment about discourse”.
And already closed?
A post was merged into an existing topic: Level of discourse
Why is this flagged? https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/level-of-discourse/17275/10
Okay, this forum is not antisocial media, so please stop and remove completely the “level of discourse” category.
I only want to read about Qubes here, and toxic behaviour should not be allowed. People as cayce should be blocked.
Yes… searched all that… tried all that… still not getting the behavior I’m looking for.
I could burn more hours trying to figure it out, yet I’m sure the answer is simple for the pros. And that’s what forums are made for I would think.
off-topic
P.S. That was not an outburst. That was long overdue in context with @cayce’s historical behavior leading to this point.
So an unwarranted targeted response to a generalization you made of his behavior despite the objective value of his contribution. Starting to wonder whose ego is actually delicate and perhaps hurt by the obvious solution (ed: a simple online search) which, according to your original post, you did not perform.
Perhaps next time specify what solutions you’ve already tried and the results you obtained, including whether relevant searches were conducted. This may result in lower chances of getting triggered by straightforward responses.
This kind of outburst towards those who attempt to contribute to diagnose and/or solve someone else’s problems doesn’t seem ideal, imho. Unfortunately, I’ve been witnessing this kind of behavior in several threads, hence the reply here.
As I pointed out you have not said in sufficient detail what
behavior you are looking for, and how your working environment is
configured…
Nor have you said what “tried all that” means and how it failed to
deliver.
No one can help you if you will not provide enough information.
I do not agree, and it was unwarranted in that circumstance.
I never presume to speak for the Qubes team.
When I comment in the Forum or in the mailing lists I speak for myself.
Agreed… but in context with @cayce’s general behavior, it was long overdue. And if he was actually humble enough to absorb it, it would change his life very much for the positive.