They aren’t because Whonix 18 is only available on R4.3.
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No, no. Whonix-17 in R424, and Whonix-18 in R430! (the respective defaults).
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Noted, thanks. In the meantime I reinstalled R430 with separate sys-net and sys-usb, noticing that some of the USB gui/qui regressions disappeared.
Will re-run the tests with more initial memory on anon-whonix, as you suggest, when I get some extra free testing time later this week. Already having a good feeling about the idea!
If I’d thought to take benchmarks bfore upgrading, sure. But since I haven’t then no. But maybe other people will do this before they upgrade.
Just upgraded to 4.3, and Qubes is much much faster for me now.
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good to know I’m in good company 
but yeah 
not looking forward to upgrade after reading this thread
I regret it.
Are you guys experiencing slowness running on older computers (5+ years) or laptops ?
The only slowness I have is sys-usb when I plug in a USB drive (esp if it has lots of partitions or is an .iso).
Yes, mine is older than 5 years. It’s an i7.
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After fixing a RAM problem, I confirm that 4.3 is still sluggish, on two computers. Compared to 4.2 that is.
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EXTREMELY. Like way too much.
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I haven’t experienced this for a long time, up to a point. I’ve had this happen a couple of days back. It turns out that a quick sudo fstrim -av in dom0 fixed it. Ended up increasing the fstrim.timer frequency to once per day.
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4.3 is indeed sluggish for me. I am frequently seeing qubes failing to
boot up as some of them (generally the ones I assing a single core vCPU
but I also observe this from time to time on qubes with 2 vCPUs) seem to
take more than 60 seconds to fully boot up nowadays.
Keep in mind that I am on @novacustom V56 with 96 GB RAM. So, I should
be the last person to have such bottleneck experiences.
Can you share the journal of the qube to see what is delaying its boot?
Comments like this doesn’t help. If you just agree with someone, just leave a heart. Adding an extra comment to say nothing just makes the thread bigger.
Where do you experience this slowness when plugging such device?
- the whole system?
- in qui-devices widget?
- in sys-usb?
- in the qube which you attach a partition?
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Can you share the journal of the qube to see what is delaying its boot?
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I will try to remember this and share it here, the next time my email
qube fails to start-up and shuts down during booting.
He was literally answering the question I asked in my post. Your post, on the other hand, is not on-topic. Nor is this one I’m making now, but as OP I felt it necessary to step in.
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I understand that you being OP, wanted to take the discussion the “validation/feeling” topic (someone else feels the same as me) rather than a searching for solution by doing a proper reporting. Although I noticed that you have acted the same way multiple times on this thread, I was hoping to extract value from this thread to improve Qubes, rather than being in the feeling bubble. And yes, I have extracted value from this thread and I believe I helped some people.
Maybe I just find the whole concept of “feeling” topics just a waste of time if it stops right there and doesn’t evolve into something fruitful for the project. I understand that some people just want to join the forum and have a conversation. Our objectives differ.
@needmullvadguide I will rephrase my comment to be more polite: Do you have more details that you can share so the experience can be improved? I understand that you may not know how to investigate things, but sharing information of what you experience is crucial if you want things improvedm
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You clearly don’t. I have no interest in how anyone feels, including your kvetching and oversharing here. The question I asked in this thread was (a) whether anything had changed in 4.3 that the devs could share might have caused my subjective experience of a sluggish OS or (b) whether anyone had a similar experience. People answered. You decided to correct them for answering the question I asked. I’m calling you out for being a jerk in my thread.
This is not a troubleshooting thread, it’s not a support thread. It’s in General Discussion. I was trying to find out if my subjective experience was unique to me, or an indication of a problem. (Turns out it’s clearly the latter of those two things.)
If people want help, they can post support threads. And you are correct that to solve a problem, details are needed. Great advice for a troubleshooting thread, which again, this is not. It’s just completely out of line for you to tell a user who was responding to my question that his reply wasn’t good enough, especially since his was and yours wasn’t.
This thread has long outlived its usefulness. I wish I could mark it “SOLVED/ANSWERED” as the answer to my question is basically: “YES, 4.3 is very sluggish and it’s a major problem.”