They aren’t because Whonix 18 is only available on R4.3.
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No, no. Whonix-17 in R424, and Whonix-18 in R430! (the respective defaults).
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Noted, thanks. In the meantime I reinstalled R430 with separate sys-net and sys-usb, noticing that some of the USB gui/qui regressions disappeared.
Will re-run the tests with more initial memory on anon-whonix, as you suggest, when I get some extra free testing time later this week. Already having a good feeling about the idea!
If I’d thought to take benchmarks bfore upgrading, sure. But since I haven’t then no. But maybe other people will do this before they upgrade.
Just upgraded to 4.3, and Qubes is much much faster for me now.
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good to know I’m in good company 
but yeah 
not looking forward to upgrade after reading this thread
I regret it.
Are you guys experiencing slowness running on older computers (5+ years) or laptops ?
The only slowness I have is sys-usb when I plug in a USB drive (esp if it has lots of partitions or is an .iso).
Yes, mine is older than 5 years. It’s an i7.
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After fixing a RAM problem, I confirm that 4.3 is still sluggish, on two computers. Compared to 4.2 that is.
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EXTREMELY. Like way too much.
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I haven’t experienced this for a long time, up to a point. I’ve had this happen a couple of days back. It turns out that a quick sudo fstrim -av in dom0 fixed it. Ended up increasing the fstrim.timer frequency to once per day.
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4.3 is indeed sluggish for me. I am frequently seeing qubes failing to
boot up as some of them (generally the ones I assing a single core vCPU
but I also observe this from time to time on qubes with 2 vCPUs) seem to
take more than 60 seconds to fully boot up nowadays.
Keep in mind that I am on @novacustom V56 with 96 GB RAM. So, I should
be the last person to have such bottleneck experiences.
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Can you share the journal of the qube to see what is delaying its boot?
Comments like this doesn’t help. If you just agree with someone, just leave a heart. Adding an extra comment to say nothing just makes the thread bigger.
Where do you experience this slowness when plugging such device?
- the whole system?
- in qui-devices widget?
- in sys-usb?
- in the qube which you attach a partition?
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Can you share the journal of the qube to see what is delaying its boot?
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I will try to remember this and share it here, the next time my email
qube fails to start-up and shuts down during booting.
He was literally answering the question I asked in my post. Your post, on the other hand, is not on-topic. Nor is this one I’m making now, but as OP I felt it necessary to step in.
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I understand that you being OP, wanted to take the discussion the “validation/feeling” topic (someone else feels the same as me) rather than a searching for solution by doing a proper reporting. Although I noticed that you have acted the same way multiple times on this thread, I was hoping to extract value from this thread to improve Qubes, rather than being in the feeling bubble. And yes, I have extracted value from this thread and I believe I helped some people.
Maybe I just find the whole concept of “feeling” topics just a waste of time if it stops right there and doesn’t evolve into something fruitful for the project. I understand that some people just want to join the forum and have a conversation. Our objectives differ.
@needmullvadguide I will rephrase my comment to be more polite: Do you have more details that you can share so the experience can be improved? I understand that you may not know how to investigate things, but sharing information of what you experience is crucial if you want things improvedm
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You clearly don’t. I have no interest in how anyone feels, including your kvetching and oversharing here. The question I asked in this thread was (a) whether anything had changed in 4.3 that the devs could share might have caused my subjective experience of a sluggish OS or (b) whether anyone had a similar experience. People answered. You decided to correct them for answering the question I asked. I’m calling you out for being a jerk in my thread.
This is not a troubleshooting thread, it’s not a support thread. It’s in General Discussion. I was trying to find out if my subjective experience was unique to me, or an indication of a problem. (Turns out it’s clearly the latter of those two things.)
If people want help, they can post support threads. And you are correct that to solve a problem, details are needed. Great advice for a troubleshooting thread, which again, this is not. It’s just completely out of line for you to tell a user who was responding to my question that his reply wasn’t good enough, especially since his was and yours wasn’t.
This thread has long outlived its usefulness. I wish I could mark it “SOLVED/ANSWERED” as the answer to my question is basically: “YES, 4.3 is very sluggish and it’s a major problem.”
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