Fedora-42-minimal at Qubes 4.3.0rc1 isn't minimal

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During first update of fedora-42-minimal realize that it contain much more packages compare to QubesOS 4.2.4:

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Polkit, Samba and many another packages added by mistake?

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I just update it and all is ok for me. I don’t have ALL this packages.

Perhaps try to remove the template and update it another time?

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You using 4.3.0rc1?

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i do.
I just download fedora-12-minimal and update it when i saw your post…

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you update it over clear net or tor?
just reinstall it over tor and got same situation.

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i do on clearnet
I’m going to re-download it and update it via Tor. I’ll give you feedback when it’s done

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Strange, for me over tor and clearnet situation is as I meantion, too many packages in fedora-42-minimal template.
You upgrade your 4.2 to 4.3.0rc1 or setup as clear installation of 4.3.0rc1?

Your package version is 4.3.0-202506020126?

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it’s an upgrade and you’re right, with tor, i had the same update like you :open_mouth:

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(Lets investigate =) )
After update to 4.3.0rc1, you first update templates or dom0?
Your dom0 include any modification/changes for basic settings?

Upd.1:
Just ended with fresh install of 4.3.0rc1, default settings, updates over clearnet - same situation, fedora-42-minimal 4.3.0-202506020126 arrive with alot of extra packages.

Someone another may check on his installation?

Upd.2:
Same situation with 4.3.0-202508192323 debian-13-minimal template, also have same extra packages compare how minimal template should look:

  • root
  • nftables
  • tar
  • nano
  • gpg-agent
  • fonts
    And few more
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It would be logical to verify whether your non-required packages are only dependencies: use man dnf to see how to explore the dependency tree, or simply try removing them (in a clone) and see what breaks.

There’s always conflict when “minimal” is defined - one person’s useless cruft is another’s essential functionality.

In this case, are you sure those packages are not only those necessary to provide basic qubes integration, updates, package manager, xterm, and maintenance tools? I am guessing that the dependency creep has come from the upstream distributions, and it would be wasted time to re-engineer and maintain custom versions of Fedora, Debian, and the rest.

For a truly minimal experience, why not just console-only busybox?

Or roll your own… Gentoo is great for that, although it’s a game to test your Linux knowledge and problem solving skills!

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Last night, i retry to update new fedora–42-minimal and it’s like you; lot of packages!
I don’t know why it wasn’t the same case before. :open_mouth:

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We may try to reach out Frediric Pierret about it, Team | Qubes OS .
You know if he have forum user?

As template maintainer he may point on the reason.

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i’m not on my testing laptop for now so i can’t tell you :slight_smile:

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Also found that actual fedora-42-minimal include preinstalled nftables without any ruleset, such setup can be misleading for users.
I expect that If for any reason nftable should be there, so basic ruleset also.

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Have you downloaded qubes-core-agent-networking yet? Or run sudo nft list ruleset to check the rule. There should be default rules otherwise you can’t even get access to the internet.

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The minimal templates are based on the official releases from Debian and Fedora, they are not custom distributions.

They should look like the official released ISO, with the Qubes OS tools added.

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Empty rules at nftables act as any-any all-all.
And no, nftables preinstalled, without need of qubes-core-agent-networking.

Your statement not exactly related to minimal templates in Qubes.
You can read more about minimal templates in official FAQ:

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I just installed and updated debian-12-minimal, debian-13-minimal, fedora-41-minimal and fedora-42-minimal on 4.3rc1 and 4.2.4.
Their sizes are practically similar… :slight_smile:

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Ok, so this change in packages applied to repository of templates and not related to 4.3.0.rc1.
I use minimal template quite a long time, so maybe change made in July or even June

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