Backup-qube out of space cannot be started anymore

I run qube-backup in a special backup-qube (debian12 template) which worked already fine. But now I made a backup which ended with an input output error and dom0 shows that VM pool is out of space. By starting the backup-qube I also get a message:

Cannot create new thin volume, free space in thin pool qubes_dom0/vm-pool reached threshold.

I deleted two old templates and there are now round about 13 GB free space again but nothing changes.

I already had once this problem with Kali and this was really hard to get the Linux booting again. Looks quite similar to me this problem. But here you cannot run secure boot and run apt autoremove (or even bleachbit)

If there would be a way to open the storage of the backup qube I am able to delete an old backup.

Thanks

Maybe the issue is that you still have the old revision of your backup-qube volume. Try to set it’s revisions_to_keep to 0:

But I think this will remove the old revision only if the qube is started successfully so this may not fix your problem.

You can mount your qube’s volume in another qube like this:

And remove files there, but I’m not sure if it’ll help as well.

No I didn’t restored anything I have a qube in this the backup is created. This when I can link to sys-usb to export the backup.

Anyone an idea how to change threshold or to see what it is

This s*** should really not happen if you make a backup the backup client should check if there is enough space or something else. Perhaps there should always be space hold for starting qubes.

No qube can be started anymore, even sys-usb. There are nearly 100 GB available an he tells me no space.

Would clear cache in dom0 bring something?

You can try to boot from some Live OS (disconnect your computer from network just in case), decrypt your Qubes OS disk, mount your backup-qube volume there and move the files from there to some spare disk:

Then boot in Qubes OS and remove the backup-qube qube so it’ll free up the space.

Qubes os is booting this is not the problem the problem is that I deleted appqubes with shown 200GB storage use and he shows VM pool is 100 GB free space but be still tells me can not start appqubes because of no free disk

What’s the private storage max size of backup-qube?

1 TB system 16 GB, but all vms are affected. Other appvm has 2 GB and does not start also.

Could you please tell me whats the size of VM pool he wants to create? And and what’s the limit of free disk he needs?

The backup-qube can hog up to 2 TB of data in the pool because it has 1 current private storage image that can be up to 1 TB and one previous private storage image that can be also up to 1 TB (by default revisions_to_keep=2).

Tried to expand the size of backup-qube to 1666 GB now it isn’t changeable

I don’t know how to fix this without removing the backup-qube.

Before I also delete this let me explain why I removed other appvm with 200gb because I think if there are 100 GB free in vm-pool there should be the possibility it run sys-usb to export some files. But this didn’t work.

It seems to me that there is anyone a bug which tells by creation of vm-pool it is full. Perhaps he has written a thin volumen and not deleted it after shutdown

I don’t know how it works, I can only assume that backup-qube somehow reserved the space in the pool but there was not enough space in the pool for it. E.g. backup-qube reserved 1 TB of space in the pool but the pool only have 200 GB free space so it’s stuck. And other qubes can’t reserve the space either because the backup-qube has priority in space reservation as first come first served.
But it’s just a guess.

Backup-appvm ist deleted nothing happens system ist fu**ed up

What information about disk usage do you see in the Qubes Disk Space Monitor widget?
Do you have the same error message when you try to start any qube? E.g. for sys-usb:

Qube sys-usb has failed to start: Cannot create new thin volume, free space in thin pool qubes_dom0/vm-pool reached threshold.

Yes all the same. Something is gone totally wrong here

What information about disk usage do you see in the Qubes Disk Space Monitor widget?

Disk usage 90.7%

Vm-pool data 92.0% metadata 29.1.

This is so stupid and I don’t know why I am deleting a qube and this is still left.

Deleting backup-appvm via qube manager didn’t work is still in applications now try to delete it over settings