Win qubes and sys-gui-gpu

[tempmail]

I never tried in 4.1 because I didn’t have a need, but now under 4.2 I am desperate to have Win 10/11 qube fully functional.

So I set for Win 7/10/11 guivm to be sys-gui-gpu. They start, but no gui for any. Neither choosing specific application from the menu to start (Wordpad, for example) helps. Just silence while green dot behind their name in sys-gui-gpu Qube Manager… Funny.

Has anyone, including devs (@marmarek) tried and succeeded to run Win qubes in sys-gui-gpu actually?

[solene]

sys-gui-gpu is purpose is to manage Qubes OS from a qube and detach the GPU from dom0 to reduce attack vectors.

it is not supposed to be used as a regular qube to have GPU available, for instance sys-gui-gpu does not have network access, like dom0.

[tempmail]

@solene

it is not supposed to be used as a regular qube to have GPU available, for instance sys-gui-gpu does not have network access, like dom0.

I never said something like that. I’m using sys-gui-gpu for 2 years probably, but never Win qube in it.

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My question is specific: has anyone tried to run Win qubes in sys-gui-gpu, because I can and have a whole set of Linux qubes succesfully running in sys-gui-gpu.

[solene]

My apologies, I did not understand your question correctly the first time.

[solene]

I can confirm a qube with Windows installed in it does not display in a sys-gui-vnc either, although it works when using dom0 for display. My sys-gui-vnc works fine as all my AppVMs are displayed.

[Gandalfen]

Yeah HVM qubes don’t display in sys-gui session for me , I have tried in 3 devices and filed a GitHub issue for the bug few days back, is that the case for everyone here? I mean does Ubuntu or any other HVM not show it’s GUI under sys-gui session? PVH mode VMs Which are Linux based here work fine.
I can still access Linux HVMs using xen console from qubes manager but that’s not a real GUI

[Gandalfen]

Issue tracking for HVM qubes not having a GUI under sys-gui

You can also report the status or any relevant information on that GitHub issue if it’s relevant to all HVM machines, otherwise it’s possibly different.
I didn’t know that it affected sys-gui-vnc and sys-gui-gpu , but I suspected so.
This would help developers to know more about the issue to fix it

[tempmail]

@Gandalfen

This would help developers to know more about the issue to fix it

Unfortunately, there are bigger issues with Win qubes (qwt under 4.2), that are adressed long time ago there, but to no avail.

[ddevz]

@Gandalfen

Issue tracking for HVM qubes not having a GUI under sys-gui

I was able to confirm that the problem isn’t hvm or “standalone” as in the bugreport, as hvm standalone debian systems made from a debian-xfce template work fine.

However, putting windows 7 into seamless mode did not work either. Does anyone know how the qwt windows 7 graphics driver differs from the qubes driver for debian and fedora?

Has anyone tried the new windows 10 seamless mode in a sys-gui or sys-gui-vnc? qubes-windows-tools: Support for Windows 10/11 · Issue #1861 · QubesOS/qubes-issues · GitHub seems to imply that the windows 10/11 seamless mode is done but you’ll have to build it yourself

(Note: i recommend doing initial debugging in a sys-gui-vnc so you can see policy permission error notifications, and you dont have to keep logging out/logging in)