Moving away from Qubes OS

[balko]

@SoPunny

Even when I used Qubes with XFCE on my T480, I couldn’t open two you tube videos and play one of them without freezing firefox most of the time.

The only way forward for Qubes OS on laptops - is to use modern 11/12-Gen Intel CPUs or AMD alternatives. Those can run youtube in 1080pX2 properly.

@SoPunny

The sites I want to use may have too much sidebars or something so it’s also laggy

I do not have that, probably also a problem of outdated CPU of T480.
The recommended list of laptops should definitely be modified to avoid outdated devices.

@SoPunny

I’m fond of Qubes OS, but I don’t really have the time or patience to optimize or fix these problems anymore. So why do you stick around with Qubes? What’s your use case?

At least to limit applications of internet (GNU/Linux still has no proper per-application firewall, 20 years passed and none, Windows has dozens). And limit other activities. E.g. when you enter password in keepass or copy password of anything to the clipboard - all applications has access to it. For me that is unacceptable level of lacking simplest, basic security from GNU/Linux.

@SoPunny

Are there any decent and mature alternatives to Qubes? (That’s not tails or Whonix)

None that I know of. A couple of projects existed in beta stages but died. I also do not understand why some people wrongly consider Tails to be an alternative to Qubes OS as it is VERY not a one.