Nevermind I kinda misread what the original poster meant by the first point, but I guess my point stands as a solution to the problem
i’m not going to say vpn over tor bad
You seem to be aware that a Whonix workstation requires a Whonix gateway as the NetVM. However, you need certain websites to see a non-Tor connection. So you need to be using a non-Tor browser to access those sites - ideally connecting to a VPN first. If you are going to be using Firefox anyway, why not just use a Debian VM with Firefox pointing to a trusted VPN proxy. Set up the VPN proxy with strict firewall settings and DNS script. Add another firewall VM between the two. Something like:
Debian-Firefox -> web-firewall -> VPNproxy
The VPN proxy can point to your Tor gateway (through another firewall VM). Something like:
Debian-Firefox -> web-firewall -> VPNproxy -> vpn-firewall -> sys-whonix -> sys-firewall -> sys-net
This is a “Tor over VPN” setup (or more intuitively “VPN through Tor”)
In other words, you first connect to your ISP through Tor and then begin sending your browser requests to your VPN through the Tor network. Your ISP knows you are using Tor but the website sees you using the VPN IP.
You could use that configuration for the few places you require non-Tor connectivity with a web service. For everything else use a more ideal setup such as Tor or VPN over Tor i.e. anon-whonix -> sys-whonix -> sys-firewall -> sys-net OR anon-whonix -> sys-whonix -> tor-firewall -> VPNproxy -> sys-firewall -> sys-net
I think the above approach is better than messing with remote desktops and firefox running on cloud servers, etc.
Updated the title to a (hopefully) more useful one
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place that aside, i don’t like whonix developer opinion in this topic
As a tor user when ever I run into a website I can’t access because I am using a tor connection. My solution is simple: Look the website/article up on startpage and you can use their “anonymous view” which is a web proxy to view what ever website that bans tor. Because startpage is tor friendly. They will not only let you search but they will even let you use their web proxy from tor without a fuss. Don’t over complicate it.
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Seconding LinuxTom’s comment to keep it simple. There are also dedicated web proxy services (google “web proxy”) you can use from within torbrowser. No sys-vpn setup required, no payment info linking you to the proxy/VPN provider, and compatible with privacy-hardened torbrowser (rather than vanilla firefox).
not sure if i should trust them?
As far as I am aware they are a reputable privacy focused search engine but don’t take my word for it. Since you would be accessing start page through tor you should be protected unless you tell them who you are. Any web proxy that will let you access through tor should also work.
Connecting to duckduckgo with the Tor Browser then searching for the target site and then connecting through the returned link still uses the Tor network and registers a tor exit relay on:
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This is a good use of anonymous view in StartPage, but it doesn’t always work. The wayback machine, https://web.archive.org, can be helpful in these cases.
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That is nice to know I haven’t thought of that before. I’ll be sure to keep that in mind the next time I find myself in a pickle.
Wouldn’t a VPN on my side give me a little more anonymity?
How would you pay for VPN and stay anonymous?
paying with bitcoins while creating an account w/fiktive postal address data and an annonymous e-mail address.
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Does this sound logic?
So basically you have no idea of what you are doing…
At least go to about:config in Firefox:
media.peerConnection.ice.proxy_only and make it true
in settings if you are in Whonix WS make connection to socks5 127.0.0.1:9050 or 9150.
I hope you started a life of crime early in life… To late now! Really there is lot of things I can advise you on.
Sorry to bust the party, this entire thread is off-topic in the Qubes OS Forum.
Discussions about privacy, VPNs, browsers and Whonix are better had at the respective forum. Make sure to check the comprehensive documentation before posting!
Especially the section about tunnels.
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