Discussion on Purism

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@michael

since the business relationship was… harming Qubes? consumers buying certified laptops with different hardware than what was advertised & certified

You’re contradicting yourself:

@michael

The current process makes clear the conditions for certification, in particular that the manufacturer offer to customers the same configuration for at least a year. This point was made explicit out of the experience with Purism and the Librem 13, which went through a number of hardware changes

In other words, your earlier experience with Purism allowed you to understand that a fixed configuration was important for the Qubes certification – which is perfectly reasonable and fair:

@michael

I think for both projects it was a learning experience, and we wish the best to the Purism team.

Now, are you saying that Purism refuses to accept this new, reasonable requirement for their next certified product? I don’t understand.

@michael

and decided not to re-engage with them

So is this about the non-fixed hardware configuration, or unwritten “ethical requirements”, or maybe because they

@michael

partner with themselves for Qubes certification: hxxps://puri.sm/pages/best-qubes-laptop-is-the-secure-librem-14/

? (i. e., they intentionally design their hardware to work with Qubes – is this not a good thing?)

Are bad Internet reviews from haters influencing your decision on who should be certified? I read then all and most of them are mistaken concerning the intentions of the company and consequences for the users (saying this as a user).

@michael

our energies instead have gone towards building a more diverse ecosystem of certified hardware providers

So you decided to exclude some hardware providers in order to diversify the ecosystem? This doesn’t sound reasonable at all.