statements like @sven’s “Once you said something, it no longer
belongs to you” are rather over the top, and, read verbatim and
extrapolated, rather scary.
The full sentence was “Once you said something, it no longer belongs to
you but to everyone who heard/read it.”
Once something was heard/read, the idea is now in other minds. The
originator put it out into the world and is truly unable take it back.
This should hopefully lead most to think before sharing something. I am
no stranger to being embarrassed. It happens, it’s human. We learn from
our mistakes.
Not to mention that ownership by “everyone” is a hugely destructive
fallacy…
Please explain. Isn’t that precisely what is by something being in the
public domain? What is a “hugely destructive fallacy” in this context?
Arguments that violate the rights of one to supposedly support the
rights of others – or even worse, the rights of a group – are
fallacious. Especially when “rights” gets misused…
“Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within
limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add
‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s
will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.”
My formulation might have been rather poor compared with Mr. Jefferson
but the spirit of my words was “limits drawn around us by the equal
rights of others”
Would you please point out what is “fallacious” about this?
Similarly for arguments that claim we know better how people should
behave – often more for our own benefit than anything else - and can
make better people by using our power to reduce their freedom of
choice; rather than working with them as equals so all make better
choices on their own.
Then why have a code of conduct?
A bill of rights?
In fact: any laws or rules?
And that there’s some “right” to have the context of one’s posts
protected. There’s no such right.
Agreed. That was tongue in cheek as a response to the somewhat
self-centered view of having the “right” to control what one put out
into the world – after the fact. Not by retraction or correction but by
a “magic undo” (which doesn’t even really work).
In fact, just the opposite – as @sven’s statement above proves even
in that view of the world – if you no longer own what you said, then
whoever does (or has the control, e.g., a Moderator) has full
authority to re-context or twist it at will any way they want.
The point was that the idea was shared in the public domain and is now
no longer owned or controlled by anyone.
build a better world by teaching everyone else that this is reality
for all of us, and everyone therefore needs to take responsibility,
think before posting, consume critically, and do their own due
diligence before accepting, rejecting, or judging any post or
person.
I am all with you and somewhat surprised how you managed to paint my
contributions as being opposed to that goal.
All I wanted when starting this topic was to remove a frustration for
those actively engaged in helping others – I hope you are able to see that.
I also reject viewpoints based in self-deception (“feeling that
something is the case, while acknowledging that it isn’t”),
self-interest (“my needs trump those of everyone else”) and twisting the
words of others (in general, this is not in any way directed at you).
There’s so much more that could be said, but probably best to quit
here with this from https://www.qubes-os.org/intro/: “Qubes is
designed with the understanding that people make mistakes, and it
allows you to protect yourself from your own mistakes. It’s a place
where you can click …, open …, plug …, and install … free
from worry. It’s a place where you have control over your software,
not the other way around”.
Qubes OS is a tool you use to control your property and to protect
yourself from your mistakes interacting with buggy or malicious software.
And yet, here, mistakes are made permanent and control is taken away
from the users…
Qubes Forum is a public place where everyone is welcome to contribute,
ask, share and receive advise. We have a code of conduct. It is a
written, asynchronous medium that allow individuals from all over the
planet and in all time zones to interact in a lasting manner.
…otherwise they’d use the IRC channel?
I will continue to be a Qubes user, but return to just lurking, as
with the prior forum. Best wishes to all.
This saddens me greatly and it was by no means my or to my knowledge
anyone else’s intention to have people leave the forum because of this.
I truly do not understand.
