It’s a fact that FBI, NSA and other feds will create honey pots. They have in the past manufactured privacy phones that were a great success for the target audience which are people who want privacy. Recently mossad put bombs into thousands of pagers. They boasted and bragged about how it’s impossi…

All valid points. Depending on your security posture, you’ve got to make some compromises. Maybe going the Schneier way and driving randomly to an auction and buying a used laptop is a better way to achieve your goals (though fewer and fewer shops and auctions are dealing with used laptops).

If you are not going to trust Qubes-certified laptops, what are you going to trust instead?

I like your questioning. If you want more control of each part that goes into your system I would recommend building a desktop pc, then you can buy parts from wherever and spread the risk across multiple stores. Trusting a certified laptop is a risk, and if you decide to go with a laptop then you at…

[image] JocularMarrow: Trusting a certified laptop is a risk Trusting anything is a risk, certified or not, so minimize your attack surface by trusting only what is necessary.

I do not understand what is your request is about: [image] capsizebacklog: some info or tool new to the privacy and cryptography which we don’t already know about This is not secure option. Everything that we do not know about is most likely insecure. That is why crypto algorithms are open s…

[image] barto: Maybe going the Schneier way and driving randomly to an auction and buying a used laptop is a better way to achieve your goals Buying used laptops could be fine but I think it’s a gamble because you have no idea who the previous owner was and how they used the laptop. [imag…

[image] capsizebacklog: Buying used laptops could be fine but I think it’s a gamble because you have no idea who the previous owner was and how they used the laptop. This course of action will definitely reduce the chance of being the victim of an attack on the “certified hardware” by the 3-l…

[image] capsizebacklog: It really would be great if the qubes-certified vendors could be trusted Everything is made in China nowerdays…not sure about trust if you really want a hypothetical extreme….And there is no vendor who produce the hardware themself. Clevo is a vendor in some cases.

[image] capsizebacklog: It really would be great if the qubes-certified vendors could be trusted, that’s why I made this topic hoping that there is something I haven’t thought about or don’t know about. Trust is a difficult problem to solve if you do not challenge, question, and verify any an…

[image] capsizebacklog: But the problem is QubesOS doesn’t work on most computers. Interesting. That has not been my experience. It’s not always easy to install (or ever :slight_smile: - but I must have just picked the right PCs on which to install Qubes. Of course, the faster and more robust…

Convince me to trust Qubes-certified laptops

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